Going through old fan forums from before the series gained notoriety here in the west shows a rather consistent analysis of Goku: he’s kind, selfish, and loves fighting above all else. Goku has NOT always been just some idiot who only cares about fighting, with his heroic deeds mainly being incidental. What makes Goku special is that he worked hard to be special. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. For most of the original series, Goku actively hates Vegeta. His talents were built through brutal training, not his innate abilities. This goes double for when he’s an adult. Obsessed Fan. But the best of all was DpObliVion! Ever since Goku hit the Super Saiyan mark, he has never looked back. Congrats! For most of the original series, Goku actively hates Vegeta. The idea of Goku as the strongest character mainly comes from the anime embellishing his power during the Buu arc to make the final battle a bit more traditional. He isn’t a prodigy, though. If that wasn't a lifetime of catharsis right there, I don't know what is. This is a surface level reading, though. Come the Majin Buu arc, Goku is back in view before we ever get to the halfway point. In the former, there’s no one left to contest Goku but Piccolo, an opponent he has defeated fair and square. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: A Guide To All Of The Light Shields, 25 Things Everyone Gets Wrong About Goku In Dragon Ball, Mass Effect: Everything You Didn't Know About The Krogan. Which does kind of undermine Yamcha’s role as a rival. Funimation has done so much damage to his character, that the Western Goku completely clouds the actual Goku. In the grand scheme of things it's for their own good, that Goku can train and be prepared for the next big threat to the universe, but for Chichi it sucks and she probably doesn't understand that perspective. Despite the fact that others may be put in danger because of this, Goku wants Vegeta to be spared. He explicitly states that he doesn’t care about Vegeta when he decides to finally accept his Saiyan heritage. I don't think so. Throughout DB & Z, there were numerous instances of him having an ethical basis behind his decisions. Bulma has gotten away with far too much for him not to. On Namek. Given how obsessed Goku is with his hobby, I'm pretty sure he values that more. Oct 17, 2020 132. I think it should have a more healthy ratio. This is the father of modern Shonen and it has a bit more tact. Vegeta still carries their rivalry, but Goku is more interested in martial artists like Hit and Jiren. While kid Goku is incredibly charming in his own right, he’s a bit flat as a character starting out. You learn from others and you adapt. Goku or Vegeta? So long as the series continues, so will Goku’s character arc. If he exceeded Goku for very long, he could risk losing his motivation. As a kid, he was naive. For a character deemed so simple, far too many fans miss just how complex Goku really is. EDIT: I meant when both are in SSB form. Vegeta is a prodigy. You forget that Vegeta was extremely resentful that Goku hid ssj3, and he would not have fought if he knew about it ahead of time. Ask myself why Goku trained Gohan after all against Cell and not Tien Just look at the ending of Z. Vegeta and Goku demanded that Goten and Trunks go to the tourney because they slacked off in the peace time but during Super there was o peace after all. On his own, Gohan is quite passive. He crossed the line when he tells Future Trunks that he does not care if … Goku even says this to Vegeta outright during the Cell arc. In the same vein that casual fans believe Goku to be a character who never loses, they also believe him to be one of the strongest characters in all of fiction when he’s rarely the strongest character in his own series. When he is alive, Goku spends A LOT of time with his sons. Member. vegeta is weaker because vegeta had to become majin so he can beat goku. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. He clearly didn't want to hurt Kinto'un's feelings. Goku’s win-loss ratio has gotten so bad in recent years that he doesn’t so much as defeat a single arc villain in Dragon Ball Super. Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegeta might have better arcs in terms of emotional impact, but Goku’s development starts with him meeting Bulma and doesn’t end until he flies off with Uub, encompassing the entire original series. Even in light of a Saiyan background where Bardock wasn’t an evil mercenary, why would Goku care? 2,913. As a result, several fans don’t have a sense of who Goku actually is. He doesn’t push his body any further than he needs to. Goku has no idea that Vegeta will eventually switch sides, and he doesn't care. New Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot Trailer is All About Vegeta and Goku. Also correct me if I'm wrong but it was my assumption that SSB+Kaio Ken was the strongest form we've seen (aside from Vegito Blue, but since he's a fusion he doesn't count as personal strength). So for the most part, she blocks him out. In fact, Goku develops way more in Z. So while Goku is still a driving force that keeps Vegeta motivated, is Vegeta himself the thing that must be beaten? Vegeta is not a family man. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Vegeta does not fight opponents who sandbag as he regards it as spitting on his honour. Even though Goku is clearly stronger, Krillin is able to catch up and put up a far better fight than Yamcha ever did. In the Majin Buu Saga, Goku reveals that Super Saiyan 3 is a transformation that he has long possessed. Even with Kaioken, he could not subdue Vegeta. Although Vegeta considers himself the loser in his fights against Goku, the truth is that Goku has never defeated Vegeta in a fight. As a result- and by virtue of being another of Roshi’s initial students- Krillin is Goku’s first rival, not Yamcha. This is how life works, honestly. She’s even the last person he thinks of when he believes he’s lost against Beerus. To Goku, Bardock is a concept- the father he could have had if he was raised by the barbaric Saiyans. Due to his position as the prince of all Saiyans and being a Saiyan elite, arrogance and hubris are the air he breathes. Sounds right, doesn’t it? Well, not really. Goku brings up Chichi with the frequency of a man who genuinely loves and cares about his wife. As Toriyama intended, Goku was never much of a hero. Goku’s signature ability is his ability to adapt and learn. There are countless times when he ignored his family. From fighting the Red Ribbon Army to flying off with Uub, all Goku wants is a life full of excitement through combat. By the time Vegeta joins the cast, Goku has trained under Master Roshi, Kami, and King Kai, the most talented warriors of his world and his galaxy. At the very end of the fight, with his limbs broken, Goku uses his ability to fly in order to sneak attack Piccolo and secure his victory. In the Buu arc, Goku realizes he won’t be around forever and actively struggles with the concept of responsibility. He understands when it’s necessary, such as in the conflict against both Buuhan and Merged Zamasu, but he always follows it up by letting Vegeta know that he doesn’t want to rely on fusion again- a sentiment his other half shares in full. He’s not the best, but he’s not bad either. Saiyans have a pretty strong reputation as being nothing more than gym rats who only care about training, growing stronger, and testing their power. Nov 21, 2020 #35 Krillin is that old best friend you always wanna stay in contact with even if you don't hang out often. All footage use are the products of funimation entertainment. Goku, though? Its a friendly rivalry. How do we know it's "significantly" stronger? In the Majin Buu Saga, Goku reveals that Super Saiyan 3 is a transformation that he has long possessed. He isn’t around often, but he always shows up to steal the win against the arc villain. This is one thing that's never changed over Vegeta's … Vegeta's win rate is better by this point. There are countless times when he ignored his family. Goku’s just some lower class Saiyan who was sent to destroy Earth and ended up saving the world in the process. He’s a selfish, albeit kind, man who is driven by his own desires above all else. Not because he … The concept of having a wife and children is novel to him since his main goal in life is to become stronger than Goku. No amount of retcons can fix that. Goku is a fine dad. Goku is a lower class Saiyan who barely registered to his father (in the original canon) and ultimately worked himself up from nothing. He was furious when Rafitz took Gohan at the beginning of Z, so much so that he sacrificed his life to take down his own brother so he didn’t hurt anyone anymore. Sadly, for Vegeta, this has been the one thing he has failed at time and again, which of course, just makes him loathe his fellow Saiyan Goku … During their first battle, Goku straight up lost. So while Goku is still a driving force that keeps Vegeta motivated, is Vegeta himself the thing that must be beaten? I'm not saying I have something against Vegeta being stronger, out of the two I like Vegeta more but Imma need some proof. This isn’t to say he doesn’t train hard- he constantly does- but that Goku knows himself well enough to understand that pushing himself too far is torture. When Piccolo arrives, Vegeta tells him to take the boys to safety and then asks if he will meet Goku in the Other World when he dies. Goku has admittedly dialed back on Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Super, but does return to it when the situation calls for it. He’s the only member of the main cast along with Pu’er to not develop during that first arc. *very light spoilers* User Info: INCEPTlON. Rather, Goku has an active disdain for fusion. No he isn't. By the second arc, he’s been properly schooled by Master Roshi and never really does or says anything to imply a severe lack of intelligence. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. In reality, it’s not until the very end of the Cell arc where Toriyama decided to pass the torch from Goku to Gohan. Super likes to push this idea that Goku has been a mean spirited and selfish idiot all along. This hints to the fact that while Vegeta may have not needed to train from birth, Goku, who trained throughout his life, built up his strength to the point where it rivaled a super elite. By the end of the Buu arc, Goku has lost roughly half of all his fights. If Goku had not trained, Vegeta would of won. He does want to be stronger than him though. Unfortunately, the show itself doesn’t. D. Goku seems out of Vegeta's reach in terms of him being as powerful as him. But I think his goal remains to stay stronger than Goku and to defeat enemies (be they rising evils or tournament opponents) that Goku cannot. Like the other answer said, Goku doesn’t view relationships the same way as everyone else. On Namek. Thanks to Funimation, much of the western fanbase has this idea of Goku where he is little more than a Superman analog. In the same way fans like to say that all of Goku’s character development happens in the original Dragon Ball, those same fans push the idea that Dragon Ball Z is Gohan’s story and not Goku’s. With that said, though, why is it stealing for Goku to pick up a new move? When he was asking if that was the end of Goku, he seemed more concerned for Goku rather than his own hide . 124 Gurus were better than me in BGE 2015 contest! Except that’s not true at all. He was raised by Grandpa Gohan and Master Roshi. Despite the fact that others may be put in danger because of this, Goku wants Vegeta to be spared. Goku the bad father is a notion that transcends its series, persisting as one of the more popular anime memes of all time. This is a man who learned the value of life, accepted his heritage, and ultimately found a martial artist nirvana. In the case of the latter, fans are finally getting a dub that portrays Goku accurately. B. Goku is just as much a juggernaut to him and he is to Goku. The rivalry between Goku and Vegeta focuses a lot on who does what better or worse than the other, but every now and then, we have to acknowledge moments where they are truly equal, and this is one of those times. Kind of. In the Saiyan arc, Goku struggles with the revelation that he was a Saiyan all along, rejecting the notion until he finally has to accept it before fighting Freeza. He feels no obligation to keep the world intact so he doesn’t bother. Freeza is a literal prodigy. They're two of the best arcs if nothing else. He functions well and is able to get by through life just fine. If hes going to blunder that hard when it comes time, then he couldn't be bothered. So much tact, in fact, that Goku loses way more than he wins. Both were sent to Earth as babies; both are pure of heart; and both fight for what’s right. Well, not quite. Ultimately, Vegeta acknowledges this to be true and feels genuine remorse for his actions, deciding to … Pushed to his breaking point, Frieza impulsively destroys the Planet Earth. I still haven't finished watching Super, but don't worry, I don't care about spoilers, post away. Does Vegeta even care about beating Goku anymore? He personally killed Nappa, didn't bother attempting to resurrect Raditz and would have killed both Goku and Gohan. He explicitly states that he doesn’t care about Vegeta when he decides to finally accept his Saiyan heritage. User Info: aton_ra. You can only do so much with Great Saiyaman. He really does love Chichi even if newer material in the series pushes this idea that they’ve never kissed (one of Super’s weirder gags, honestly.) Even though Goku basically codified the “dumb, but strong” Shonen protagonist archetype, he doesn’t actually fit the mold himself. For whatever reason, fans have accepted this idea that Goku’s arc is complete by the start of the Saiyan arc, but this couldn’t be further from the truth. While Goku is the classic pure hearted hero, Vegeta is more interesting. That being said he of course wouldn't be happy with Goku training and creating a power gap between them. Xandalan . Goku doesn’t learn to fly. For the entire first arc, he’s basically being guided on a leash by Bulma as there’s really no unifying thread between his character and his motivation. He crossed the line when he tells Future Trunks that he does not care if his family lives or dies. Really, Goku doesn't care at all about coming home to be there for his family. of 5; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Kaioken obviously makes Goku much stronger. After all, Vegeta ends the Saiyan arc defeated and their bout in the Majin Buu arc is clouded by Super Saiyan 3 on the horizon. >Spares Vegeta just because he wants to fight him. No one can deny that he works himself hard, but some fans do see this as a natural penchant for martial arts to the point where all of Goku’s accomplishment can be undermined by his role as a “prodigy.”. This one is a bit more grounded in reality though as Toei actively pushed Gohan as the sequel’s protagonist. Discussion. And we are talking about children older as Name Gohan and similar to OG DB Goku. That’s a bit wrong, though. The closest I've seen Vegeta and Goku being friends is at the end of the Buu saga when they both give each other a thumbs-up. Goku trains smart, not hard. Vegeta is killed in the blast, but Whis ends up keeping Goku & the rest of the supporting cast alive. Isn’t that special in its own right, though? Even if you aren’t familiar with the series, it’s quite obvious that Vegeta’s disdain towards Goku stems from the fact that he has never beaten the lower class Saiyan in a fair fight. To be honest, Goku would be mostly confused as to why Chi-Chi was inviting another man into the house. So hard, in fact, many fans believe that he’s entitled to a stronger or higher status than Goku. By turning back time, Whis gives Goku the chance to make things … As for the other arcs? In fact, we have Toriyama on record stating that Goku was simply a better fit for the style of story he was trying to tell. The scenes where they fight over food I think actually show Beerus willing to be generous and kind, because Goku and Vegeta literally can't stop him from simply taking the food. From there, this motivation drives Goku for the rest of the series. Vegeta prepares to destroy himself in an attempt to kill Majin Buu. The original series began with him and the original series ended with him. After all, Vegeta is always shown training whereas Goku generally takes a more relaxed approach. Goku’s fight against Frieza is just a slog, but Vegeta’s does have a cathartic factor to it. Majin Vegeta left Goku lying at the end of that encounter too. It’s constantly changing, too. Gohan is a prodigy. Jiren has always had an incredible advantage. Vegeta trains incredibly hard. aton_ra 3 years ago #2. Even if Vegeta won, it wouldn’t be enough. For as amazing as Goku’s final fight with Piccolo Junior at the end of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai is, many fans don’t take kindly to Goku learning to fly at the very last minute in order to defeat Piccolo. For a time, it was a fairly understandable one too. Other than that they're just rivals in my eyes. Goku was equal with both Yamcha and Krillin when they first met; weaker than Roshi, Tien Shinhan, Piccolo, and Vegeta; and didn’t have nearly as much potential as Trunks, Goten, or Gohan. Goku easily has the largest roster of techniques in the series and most fans attest that this is because Goku “steals” techniques. Which Final Fantasy Protagonist Are You Based On Your Zodiac Sign? He angrily accused Goku of mocking him. Maybe now Vegeta cares. He knew the entire time. There are two major fighting points regarding Goku at the moment: he’s either out of character in Super or in character for the first time for the western audience. A third factor that may have motivated Vegeta into not using Super Saiyan 3 was his rivalry with Goku. Part of what makes Goku so compelling as a character is the frequency at which he improves. Goku wants a rematch with Vegeta. I refuse to care about Vegeta getting the W more then Vegeta does himself. Goku’s losses against Vegeta don’t bother him, though, mainly because he doesn’t see Vegeta as a rival at all. Goku alone with a single Kamehameha however did damage him. 10 TOTALLY DIFFERENT: THEIR TRAINING Vegeta stayed behind Goku for a long time because he simply didn’t have the training that Goku does. Who was once a fairly nuanced protagonist became a Superman analog, going so far as to spare Vegeta because he saw “good” in him instead of selfishly wanting a rematch. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! I do not own the right or content of any dragonball images or footage. Vegeta and Trunks combined couldn't damage Merged Zamasu. One constant that has remained throughout much of the Dragon Ball anime is that Goku is always one step ahead of Vegeta when it comes to overall strength. While the two stalemate initially, Goku does defeat Yamcha in their rematch. Even then, Goku is very much the main character of the series up until the Cell Games, actively driving the plot. It’s not until Goku begins training with Master Roshi where Goku finally gets a motivation: the desire to meet strong opponents. After all, he barely spends any time with his sons. 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Where GT keeps Goku fairly static, Super extends the idea of a growing Goku even further. Goku tries to persuade Vegeta to stop when Majin Buu is resurrected but Vegeta says he doesn't care if Bulma and Trunks are killed, but Goku deduces Vegeta is lying. I would never expect Vegeta to be very PDA, he is extremely introverted. We can't have a character screaming about the same thing for 20 years or we'd have another Scorpion. I think he still cares, he just isn't as vocal about it anymore. Jiren called him out for this, telling him that his technique was impure due to his arrogance. With the DB Fighterz game out, I've become rather nostalgic about DBZ. Not only does Goku have a character arc that spans the entire series, it’s utterly massive in length. In many ways, these are both true. 10 Pokémon Who Look Nothing Like Their Base Form, Sword & Shield: 10 Bede Memes That Are Too Hilarious For Words, The 10 Best FPS Developers According To Metacritic, Ranked, Pokemon: 14 Legitimately Evil Things Gym Leaders Do (That Everyone Ignores), 10 Games To Play Until Cyberpunk 2077 Gets Updated, 5 Best Things About Sephiroth in Super Smash Bros. While he never went so far as to deny helping anyone or actively harm another life, Goku never went out of his way to do the right thing either. He isn’t as debatably good as husband as he is a father, but he’s not bad. Why? Bardock means nothing to him. It happens often enough in other Shonen. After Goku let Vegeta retreat, Bulma was not pleased but found solace that Yamcha and the others who died can be resurrected by the Namek Dragon Balls. He cares. Even Goku uses Super Saiyan 2 more than he does Super Saiyan 3. In resurrection of F, he admits that he needs Goku to continue to get stronger. During the Cell arc, Goku generally knocks Vegeta down quite a bit by going so far to say that Vegeta doesn’t even compare to his own power. He is the son of King Vegeta, the Baby Daddy of Bulma, and the father of Trunks. Throughout the first two arcs of Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta regularly states how Goku is a low-class warrior while he himself is a super elite warrior class. Vegeta is not a family man. Looks to me like he is more interested in discovering how strong he can become then smashing that plateau. The Kamehameha was Master Roshi’s the Genki Dama was Kaio’s, and the Taiyoken was Tien Shinhan’s. Time and time again, Goku finds himself outclassed by other characters. Dragon Ball just doesn't work without Goku. “Goku develops in the original Dragon Ball” is a sentiment you hear quite a lot within the fandom. He’s not like Superman; he’s not a superhero. He raised Gohan for the first four years of his life; spent three years training him; another year in the Room of Spirit and Time with him; and has actively raised Goten since the end of the Buu arc. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Every arc sees Goku finding new heights and overcoming his flaws. On that note, there are only two arcs in the entire series where Goku is actually the strongest character: the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the Namek arc. Looks to me like he is more interested in discovering how strong he can become then smashing that plateau. (REVENGE!!!). C. Goku refuses to use his Saiyan name. While he is certainly selfish and uneducated, the series- especially in the Goku Black arc and first half of the Tournament of Power- really pushes an exaggerated depiction of Son Goku for really no real reason. The concept of having a wife and children is novel to him since his main goal in life is to become stronger than Goku. Vegeta's strength keeps Goku motivated and Vegeta's family keep Goku's family busy. Characters like Piccolo and Vegeta were born with power. Yamcha is widely considered to be Goku’s first real rival. Goku wants a rematch with Vegeta. Vegeta has been in a constant state of not just trying to surpass Goku but to just meet him as an equal in the field. Pretty sure he does. I'm gonna need some citation on that. Come Super, Goku’s win-loss rate has honestly never been worse. He’s a good man with mixed priorities, but that’s what makes him compelling. However, looking back, I think Vegeta is of the better characters of the series. 9 He Did Not Care For His Family. He doesn't want to defeat Goku in the sense of killing him, but he definitely wants to be stronger, and as of right now, Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku due to having six extra months of time chamber training. Mainly because their rivalry isn’t built on the idea that Vegeta has ever explicitly lost to Goku. I honestly think he's silently waiting to get strong enough to kick Beerus' ass after all the blatant disrespect. Although Goku is one of four characters in the series who fuses more than once, (the others being Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks,) he isn’t a fan of it like his son is. Goku absolutely cares about Gohan, no doubt at all. He doesn’t even win a single battle in the Cell arc. Goku has no idea that Vegeta will eventually switch sides, and he doesn't care. This was never the problem, though. Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku due to having six extra months of time chamber training. Bardock is finally someone Goku could be proud of. Although Goku puts up decent fights, every arc villain ends up either winning against him or reaching a stalemate. Yes, Goku was concealing his ability to become a Super Saiyin 3, but Goku's obsession with mercy and fairness has repeatedly been shown to be a weakness that backfires on him, such as trying to spare Frieza, and giving Cell a senzu bean. Goku’s losses against Vegeta don’t bother him, though, mainly because he doesn’t see Vegeta as a rival at all. This is just how martial arts works. Spin-offs and non-Toriyama written material tends to flanderize those traits, but the real Goku is not dumb. Goku has developed his own style of fighting based of the dozens of martial artists he’s met through the years. The fight’s subtext, along with the rest of the arc, strongly implies that Goku was hiding his best techniques all along. Rather, the issue is that Goku has never cared about Bardock. During the Tournament of Power, Vegeta's identity was put to the test; after Goku had awakened the powers of Ultra Instinct, Vegeta tried his hardest to follow in Goku's footsteps, going as far as to take on Jiren alone despite knowing that the Universe 11 warrior could easily toss him aside like trash. Rather, their whole rivalry revolves around the fact that Vegeta feels like he personally couldn’t keep up with Goku when he, by all accounts, should have defeated him easily. Krillin, on the other hand, manages to go two full arcs ostensibly equal with Goku before they have their rivalry defining match. In the latter, Goku is the legendary Super Saiyan. He lets the action happen to him whereas Goku seeks it out. Going into the revival, although the two are equal, Goku sees Vegeta more as a friend than anything. This isn’t any other Shonen, though. Goku’s actually a fine father contrary to popular belief. saiyanwarrior . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Be8vE-Spb8. Time and time again, he has been proven to be the underdog. Goku loves Chichi in a way only Goku could. >Spares Piccolo and gives him a Senzu just because he wants to fight him. "Needless prominence" oh lol please rewatch Z. I've figured Beerus is his rival of sorts. Fans of Dragon Ball's beloved hero Goku misunderstand a lot about the character. But you'll never see him waking down the beach hand in hand with Bulma. He left home to see the world with Bulma only to ultimately leave his new home to train Uub and show him the world. All one needs is a genuine passion for martial arts to be strong. That being said he of course wouldn't be happy with Goku training and creating a power gap between them. Freeza is a prodigy. When Vegeta arrived on Earth with intent of obtaining the Dragon Balls and destroying the planet, Bulma watched him battle the Z Fighters, including when her then boyfriend, Yamcha, died and Vegeta mocked him by calling him trash. For more casual fans of the series, it’s easy to see Goku as a rather formulaic protagonist. My discussion threads always seem to get downvotes. While he’s certainly uneducated, Goku’s lack of intelligence stops there. Piccolo is Gohan’s real dad! INCEPTlON 3 years ago #1. With the recent retconning of Bardock’s characterization, this idea has never been pushed so hard. In preparation for launch, Bandai Namco releases a new trailer for Dragon Ball Z: … Vegeta (ベジータ, Bejīta) is the former prince of the near-extinct Saiyan race and is Goku's self-proclaimed arch-rival. Topic Archived; First; Previous; Page . He also rejected Nappa's idea of breeding a race of half saiyans. Of all the supporting cast members, Yamcha is the first who gets to fight Goku in a proper martial arts match. For years, fans have wanted Goku to meet Bardock in the afterlife. You'll see in some parts of the series that he does care, especially when someone disrespects his family. 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